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Things Caleb should never-ever say.
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Actually it's not. Don't let the CNN make you dumber than you already are.Nathan Deringer wrote:Actually it's called irony.
From Wikipedia:
While some cases of verbal irony can be considered to be sarcastic, it is not always the other way around. In case of that Caleb's quote, it's not by a long shot.A fair amount of confusion has surrounded the issue regarding the relationship between verbal irony and sarcasm, and psychology researchers have addressed the issue directly (e.g, Lee & Katz, 1998). For example, ridicule is an important aspect of sarcasm, but not verbal irony in general. By this account, sarcasm is a particular kind of personal criticism leveled against a person or group of persons that incorporates verbal irony. For example, a person reports to her friend that rather than going to a medical doctor to treat her ovarian cancer, she has decided to see a spiritual healer instead. In response her friend says sarcastically, "Great idea! I hear they do fine work!" The friend could have also replied with any number of ironic expressions that should not be labeled as sarcasm exactly, but still have many shared elements with sarcasm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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CNN is for commies and Wikipedia can be freely edited by mentally challenged persons with no knowledge of anything whatsoeverDimebog wrote:Actually it's not. Don't let the CNN make you dumber than you already are.Nathan Deringer wrote:Actually it's called irony.
From Wikipedia:While some cases of verbal irony can be considered to be sarcastic, it is not always the other way around. In case of that Caleb's quote, it's not by a long shot.A fair amount of confusion has surrounded the issue regarding the relationship between verbal irony and sarcasm, and psychology researchers have addressed the issue directly (e.g, Lee & Katz, 1998). For example, ridicule is an important aspect of sarcasm, but not verbal irony in general. By this account, sarcasm is a particular kind of personal criticism leveled against a person or group of persons that incorporates verbal irony. For example, a person reports to her friend that rather than going to a medical doctor to treat her ovarian cancer, she has decided to see a spiritual healer instead. In response her friend says sarcastically, "Great idea! I hear they do fine work!" The friend could have also replied with any number of ironic expressions that should not be labeled as sarcasm exactly, but still have many shared elements with sarcasm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

"irony: 1 the expression of meaning through the use of language which normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous effect. 2 a state of affairs that appears perversely contrary to what one expects"
"sarcasm: noun the use of irony to mock or convey contempt"
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/irony?view=uk
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/sarcasm?view=uk
You can use irony without mockery. Take "this hurts me more than it hurts you" for example, it ain't mocking anything/anyone but it would be funny given the right context.
"• noun (pl. ironies) 1 the expression of meaning through the use of language which normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous effect. 2 a state of affairs that appears perversely contrary to what one expects."
One sentence can't explain the first thing about what is irony. You just try to fit everything in that tiny box of yours. Irony, as the form of expression is just a single instance where this phenomena occurs. It is called "verbal irony". People don't convey irony with their sentences, situations do. Situations are ironic and not someone's saying, unless what you are saying is describing an instance or some such predicament. There is nothing "ironic" about Caleb inviting someone to a discussion - it's sarcasm. He would say so because he means exactly the opposite and therein lies the obvious, because we already know who is Caleb and what he does.
And you can't edit Wikipedia, because your changes would be moderated within minutes.
P.S. Sorry Ghoste, I don't speak
One sentence can't explain the first thing about what is irony. You just try to fit everything in that tiny box of yours. Irony, as the form of expression is just a single instance where this phenomena occurs. It is called "verbal irony". People don't convey irony with their sentences, situations do. Situations are ironic and not someone's saying, unless what you are saying is describing an instance or some such predicament. There is nothing "ironic" about Caleb inviting someone to a discussion - it's sarcasm. He would say so because he means exactly the opposite and therein lies the obvious, because we already know who is Caleb and what he does.
And you can't edit Wikipedia, because your changes would be moderated within minutes.
Correct.Daedolon wrote:Sarcasm is implying something while meaning the opposite.
While irony is doing something which eventually gets undone because of your doings.
P.S. Sorry Ghoste, I don't speak
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Raven wrote:Nevermore.
Hah, what authority are you talking about? Whatever I say, you will be there to raise your voice against me. Isn't that enough for you? Isn't that the democracy that you craved for ever since you fled from the oppressive clutches of the RBC?
Anyway. It is alright. You can think the truth is whatever you would like it to be, I'm not going to stop you.
I learned my lesson.
See, that's a fine example of sarcasm.Ghoste wrote:Sorry, Dimebog, I didn't mean to offend you.
Anyway. It is alright. You can think the truth is whatever you would like it to be, I'm not going to stop you.
I learned my lesson.
Raven wrote:Nevermore.