Turn In Your Arms

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Turn In Your Arms

Post by Status Cruo » May 7th, 2013, 00:18

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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by MoonStalkeR » May 7th, 2013, 03:35

Farewell to Arms, then (if I had any :()

Register firearms in NY is a difficult procedure, though having personal defense means would be quite beneficial in such a location.
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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Status Cruo » May 7th, 2013, 06:39

I can't even imagine anyone voluntarily setting foot on NY soil without a 12 gauger!

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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Daedalus » May 7th, 2013, 10:28

Interesting image. This silly gun debate seems to be hitting fever pitch in the United States lately.
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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by ZedSlayer » May 7th, 2013, 10:45

Daedalus wrote:Interesting image. This silly gun debate seems to be hitting fever pitch in the United States lately.
It really does seem that every month now there is like 3-4 gun related crimes to further these arguments for more regulation/banning

Luckily, Tennessee's gov't basically said, "don't worry"

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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Status Cruo » May 7th, 2013, 12:37

Anyone trying to violate my second amendment, anyone rooting for the disarmament of decent, law-abiding citizens in need of defending themselves from both common street crime and despotic regimes like this, is as good as dead. God willing this will turn into a civil war and I'll finally have my way. Can't wait to shoot these worthless, murderous, degenerate socialist pieces of shit right in there faces 8)

Back to the image. Very powerful stuff and totally spot on. Hope everybody gets to see it.

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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Daedalus » May 7th, 2013, 14:26

I wish we had a second amendment. My country surrendered to Communism many years ago, though.
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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Umnir » May 7th, 2013, 16:50

Same here. After winning the soviet russia in WW2, politicians played a lot of red-favoring politics in order to avoid further oppression. This leaded to one of the most bizarre combination of socialist laws and goverment monopolies, and further law madness.
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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by MoonStalkeR » May 7th, 2013, 17:17

ZedSlayer wrote:It really does seem that every month now there is like 3-4 gun related crimes to further these arguments for more regulation/banning

Luckily, Tennessee's gov't basically said, "don't worry"
Conveniently timed mass shootings popped up every week after this debate became sensational... interesting.

Although I am definitely not located in a "safe-zone", this district is more mild. A few years ago, a woman did get stabbed to death outside my building, giving off bloodcurdling screams, and leaving a large puddle of blood on the crime scene. The killer was never identified, afaik, but police tend to be unhelpful when it comes to these occasions, it's not a surprise. There was also a shooting nearby, and my father's expensive navigation system was ripped out of the car many years ago. Other than that, I cannot remember other events of serious chaos.

Viable means of defending dwelling may have helped in the case of last year's hurricane. Large gatherings of black males assembled for marauding coastal, semi-flooded neighborhoods. Those who lived in buildings had to take turns in order to watch lobby with improvised melee weapons. The marauders also pillaged areas with no power, sometimes bringing shopping carts to loot stores.
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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Status Cruo » May 7th, 2013, 23:42

Michael Savage (radio host) and Dave Mustaine (heavy metal musician) are definitely onto something here. A closer look at the circumstances surrounding these shootings, including timing (in correlation with criminal attempts to consolidate civilian disarmament agendas even though this only strengthens the argument for self-defense), background of those involved (linked to socialist indoctrination "schools" run by the same anti-second amendment trash, funded by the kenyan ------ itself) , the convenient "suicide" (silencing, if you will) of the shooters as well as many other grotesque omissions in "official" statements, only show how deep into the shit this country has fallen, and it's only getting worse.

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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Panoptic Blur » May 8th, 2013, 00:10

As somebody who lives in the U.S. by choice and uses firearms on a recreational basis (after having trained with them on a military basis), I have no problem with regulated gun ownership.

The government already regulates many other facets of life in the US, and I fail to see conceptually how civilian gun ownership is philosophically or practically different from, say, regulation of driving motor vehicles, or regulation of use of explosive chemicals.

I've already covered these main points in another part in another thread, so I won't repeat them here. When I'm back at an actual keyboarded computer, maybe I'll post a link.

It's worth noting that the politicization of the 2nd Amendment as a bulwark against a supposedly tyrannical government did not enter public circulation and mass literature until the post war era.

It's also worth noting that Russian gun ownership is also fairly widespread.
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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Status Cruo » May 8th, 2013, 00:33

Panoptic Blur wrote:The government already regulates many other facets of life in the US, and I fail to see conceptually how civilian gun ownership is philosophically or practically different from, say, regulation of driving motor vehicles, or regulation of use of explosive chemicals
If you can't see the difference between being denied a license to drive a vehicle you don't have the ability to drive and a good citizen being denied the right to defend himself, then there's nothing left to discuss.

Even if the second amendment didn't exist, why do I have to let any depraved socialist tyrant choose whether or not I can defend my country, my family, my life and my property while they waste a fortune of tax dollars (my money) hiring heavily-armed body guards to keep themselves safe from the very same chaos they've created?

Bullshit of the highest order.

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Re: Turn In Your Arms

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Status Cruo wrote:
Panoptic Blur wrote:The government already regulates many other facets of life in the US, and I fail to see conceptually how civilian gun ownership is philosophically or practically different from, say, regulation of driving motor vehicles, or regulation of use of explosive chemicals
If you can't see the difference between being denied a license to drive a vehicle you don't have the ability to drive and a good citizen being denied the right to defend himself, then there's nothing left to discuss.

Even if the second amendment didn't exist, why do I have to let any depraved socialist tyrant choose whether or not I can defend my country, my family, my life and my property while they waste a fortune of tax dollars (my money) hiring heavily-armed body guards to keep themselves safe from the very same chaos they've created?

Bullshit of the highest order.
I've always found arguments such as these to be interesting.

No one is denying that a person has the right to defend themselves from any depraved tyrannical government. You also have the right to defend yourself from marauding black males that assemble after hurricanes. But weapon ownership comes with some responsibility and whether you want to admit it or not, some people are not responsible. Some people are in fact actually quite nuts. Easy access to weapons doesn't help if some nutjob wakes up one morning and decides to go postal. The average person doesn't really need a machine gun or a bazooka, and acquiring such weapons shouldn't be as easy as going to the corner store and picking up some milk.

Here in Canada, weapons are regulated. The crime rate here is much lower then in the US as a result. I don't have to worry about those inbred retards that exist in the southern US, marauding black males on drugs, or any drive by shootings from gangs of Hispanic idiots. If I want a weapon to defend myself then I have that right, but I need to fill out some paper work and endure a brief waiting period. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me when the world is a safer place to live in as a result.

If the US government wanted to do you harm then there's really very little that you can do about it. If you believe in conspiracy theories then they very easily assassinated JFK and destroyed the WTC in order to start a war. They could also very easily eliminate you no matter how many weapons you own. Weapons wouldn't help you if the government chose to eliminate you from their computer database and removed all traces of your existence. So acquiring handguns or weapons of mass destruction will not protect you from any government.

No one is denying you from acquiring a mass arsenal of weapons if that's your desire. But it would only make sense for someone to regulate those weapons and to look into who you are and why you would want so many weapons. There's far too many nutjobs out there as it is and giving them all easy access to weapons is not really the best course of action in my opinion.
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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Blood of Nightmares » May 8th, 2013, 19:42

Status Cruo wrote:Even if the second amendment didn't exist, why do I have to let any depraved socialist tyrant choose whether or not I can defend my country, my family, my life and my property while they waste a fortune of tax dollars (my money) hiring heavily-armed body guards to keep themselves safe from the very same chaos they've created?
I think things would make alot more sense if you said that as a wealthy land owner "defending" his stolen land from everyone else against workers/lower classes who are having a revolution against you that you call a "socialist tyrant" to reclaim it back for everyone rather selectivity 'yours' since private property or any type of property is theft no exceptions.

That's what this whole "gun ownership" "home defense" or actually the entirety of the "2nd amendment" is actually about (since the Constitution was actually written for the bourgeois who were wealthy white male land owners who own and control the means of production which still goes on today). Unfortunately your either a Parrot repeating things from bourgeois society or a proudly privileged white male who has never been really seriously oppressed but makes up imaginary fears via the form of conspiracy theories (which is what they actually are) hence reflecting what I've said above.

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Re: Turn In Your Arms

Post by Status Cruo » May 8th, 2013, 23:11

Blood of Nightmares wrote:I think things would make alot more sense if you said that as a wealthy land owner "defending" his stolen land from everyone else against workers/lower classes
Reality check:

. I'm not wealthy by the American standard.
. The only land I own is the one I live in.
. I spent over 20 of my best years working like a slave just to pay for it (house included)
. The woman who sold it to me inherited from her father, the original owner and architect back in 1969.
. Workers are people who earn their way, not a synonym for roustabout.
. The lower class in America got nothing that can be stolen since most of them are too lazy and stupid to generate any wealth.
. Being a loser in the best country in the word (U.S) also makes you the biggest loser in the world.
. I was born poor (poor as is starving poor, not as in flatpanel-hoarding ghetto welfare queen poor) and I don't miss it.
. Everyone, including me, has the right to defend their property, whether you like it or not.
Blood of Nightmares wrote:who are having a revolution against you that you call a "socialist tyrant" to reclaim it back for everyone rather selectivity 'yours' since private property or any type of property is theft no exceptions
Well, I'm typing from a shitty laptop that can't even open a 240p youtube video without running out of memory.Think I'm going to drop by your place (which isn't yours, of course) and "take" your computer (which isn't yours either) and shoot you in the back of the neck on my way out. How'd you like it socialist theft? :lol:
Blood of Nightmares wrote:That's what this whole "gun ownership" "home defense" or actually the entirety of the "2nd amendment" is actually about (since the Constitution was actually written for the bourgeois who were wealthy white male land owners who own and control the means of production which still goes on today). Unfortunately your either a Parrot repeating things from bourgeois society or a proudly privileged white male who has never been really seriously oppressed but makes up imaginary fears via the form of conspiracy theories (which is what they actually are) hence reflecting what I've said above.
Have half your closest family murdered by the Stasi when you're a kid, then come back and we'll discuss "oppression"

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